I'm confused

"TheHondaBro" (wwaveform) 02/12/2015 at 11:01 • Filed to: None

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Who looks at this and sees a minivan?

This is a minivan.

The Pilot has devolved into a crossover. #FPCommenters

But in all seriousness, the Minivan is a dead concept, isn't it?

EDIT: Just made this superimposition.

HammerheadFistpunch > TheHondaBro 02/12/2015 at 11:03

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devolved? It started as a crossover.

Stapleface-Now Hyphenated! > TheHondaBro 02/12/2015 at 11:04

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I dunno, I could see why people say it. It doesn't look all that different from the Odyssey to be honest with you.

JawzX2, Boost Addict. 1.6t, 2.7tt, 4.2t > TheHondaBro 02/12/2015 at 11:04

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According to the manufacturer marketing speak, this is not a minivan either.

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > HammerheadFistpunch 02/12/2015 at 11:05

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This

TheHondaBro > HammerheadFistpunch 02/12/2015 at 11:05

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I'm not seeing it.

Dwhite - Powered by Caffeine, Daft Punk, and Corgis > TheHondaBro 02/12/2015 at 11:06

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Behind that grill I see a hell of a lot of Audi in that thing. Screams Q5, or 7, I don't really know the difference between them.

TheHondaBro > Stapleface-Now Hyphenated! 02/12/2015 at 11:06

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Well when you factor in design language, sure, it probably does resemble the Odyssey. I still don't see a minivan in it though.

Cajun Ginger > TheHondaBro 02/12/2015 at 11:06

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it's definitely a crossover. I'll upload some pics of it probably tonight.

TheHondaBro > Dwhite - Powered by Caffeine, Daft Punk, and Corgis 02/12/2015 at 11:07

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One of them is 82.3% smaller.

Alex B > TheHondaBro 02/12/2015 at 11:07

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But it's always been based on a car, which is why it's a crossover.

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > TheHondaBro 02/12/2015 at 11:07

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THIS IS CLEARLY NOT A MINIVAN BECAUSE WE HAVE DISGUISED THE BLOB BY MAKING THE HOOD TALL. IT IS TOTALLY NOW A TWO BOX DESIGN AND NOT A BLOB AND WE ARE GENIUS.

In seriousness, no sliding doors and tall hood - tada! Not a minivan. Somehow.

TheHondaBro > JawzX2, Boost Addict. 1.6t, 2.7tt, 4.2t 02/12/2015 at 11:07

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Aah yes, the "luxury MPV."

Alex B > TheHondaBro 02/12/2015 at 11:08

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I like them both. /flamesuit on

Party-vi > TheHondaBro 02/12/2015 at 11:08

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From Minivan to Pilot in two easy steps:

Replace sliding doors with normal doors

Lift suspension; add bigger tires.

HammerheadFistpunch > TheHondaBro 02/12/2015 at 11:09

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it may look tougher, but its absolutely nothing but a crossover. In fact the new model is probably stronger in every way despite its soft looks. Gen 1, 2 and 3 were/are built on the shared platform with the Accord, Acura TL and Odyssey...Crossover.

Brewman15 > TheHondaBro 02/12/2015 at 11:11

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I do! ...especially when you compare the equivalent 2002 models of those same vehicles.

The first gen Pilot had very truck-like & BOF features despite being built on a unibody chassis whereas the new Pilot has very minivan-like features & profile despite a slighter taller ride height and the lack of sliding doors of a minivan.

ly2v8-Brian > TheHondaBro 02/12/2015 at 11:11

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The pilot has always been just an odyssey pretending to be a SUV. Just like the highlander, current explorer, and GM lamda all minivan based.

TheHondaBro > Alex B 02/12/2015 at 11:11

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True.

Milky > TheHondaBro 02/12/2015 at 11:12

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Crossovers are the new minivan. Every soccer mom has one but doesnt like the image of the minivan. And like others have said its been a crossover, now its just more Traverse-esque rather than traditional SUV looking.

Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire > ly2v8-Brian 02/12/2015 at 11:14

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No, the Lambda's are not at all based on minivans.

ly2v8-Brian > Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire 02/12/2015 at 11:18

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Double checked, they are Epsilon derived.

That Bastard Kurtis - An Attempt to Standardize My Username Across Platforms > TheHondaBro 02/12/2015 at 11:19

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It looks like a tall minivan to me.

The Pilot was, to me, an SUV before. It was car based so I guess you could call it a cross-over, but it was big and kinda tall like an SUV. And it was shaped like an SUV.

The new one just looks like an Odyssey on stilts to me.

vicariousILive > TheHondaBro 02/12/2015 at 11:33

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I see a "sport utility van"

cbell04 > TheHondaBro 02/12/2015 at 12:36

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I also think most newer cuv's look like minivans. I often refer to my parents new qx60 as a minivan just to get on their minivan hating nerves. I just said screw being "cool" and went for the minivan for my family and have no regrets. Something is off about that super imposed pic because the pilot is only about 10 inched shorter than the odyssey and the pick makes it look like a foot on each side. Either way the pilot will sell and those who purchase it will enjoy. I cant get onboard with the new crv loved the last gen. Inlaws own a stripped out one and its quite a good vehicle would imagine with some opinions it would have been even better.

BoxerFanatic, troublesome iconoclast. > Party-vi 02/12/2015 at 12:44

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Lift Suspension is the main thing, for CAFE light truck classification.

That is pretty much what defines a CUV/Crossover. A car-based unibody platform that meets light-truck CAFE standards like a truck-platform SUV.

Not sure if the sliding doors would disqualify the light truck classification, to be grouped with the passenger cars, but lower ride height will.

Frankly, above... the minivan looks better than that utterly bland Pilot. Pilot used to be square and serious looking. This is ridiculous.

Honda has lost it... CR-V and the new smaller compact version (HR-V?, I can't get motivated enough to even remember it's name) are horrible, too.

A practical car doesn't need to be soul-quenchingly boring.

BoxerFanatic, troublesome iconoclast. > JawzX2, Boost Addict. 1.6t, 2.7tt, 4.2t 02/12/2015 at 12:47

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People lambasted the R-class... but now, considering this Pilot... the R-class looks like a breath of fresh air, aesthetically.

It was just debatable as to whether R-class had the ride height to justify a light truck CAFE classification... it might be low enough to still be a passenger car regulated vehicle, like a Minivan is, just without the sliding doors.

Now M-B has MLK series CUVs to take it's place.